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2023-05-31 Aries Working Group Call

2023-05-31 Aries Working Group Call

May 31, 2023

Summary:

  • Wallet VS Agent

  • Scope and purpose of Aries

Date

May 31, 2023 (7AM Los Angeles, 10AM New York, 3PM London, 4PM CET, 18H Moscow)

 

 

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Attendees                   

  • @Sam Curren (Indicio) <sam@indicio.tech>

  • @Mike Ebert (Indicio) <mike@indicio.tech>

  • @Warren Gallagher (AffinitiQuest) <warren@affinitiquest.io>

  • @Tim Bloomfield <tim.bloomfield@ontario.ca>

  • @John Jordan (BC Gov) <john.jordan@gov.bc.ca>

  • @Alex Metcalf (BC Gov) <alex.metcalf@gov.bc.ca>

  • @Ken Ebert  (Indicio) <ken@indicio.tech>

  • @Charles Lanahan <charles.lanahan@gmail.com>

  • @Karim Stekelenburg (Animo) <karim@animo.id>

  • @Timo Glastra  (Animo) <timo@animo.id>

  • @Micah Peltier (Indicio) <micah@indicio.tech>

  • @Akiff Manji (BC Gov / Petri Dish Development) <amanji@petridish.dev>

  • @Maki Kato (Matrix Group International) <mkato@matrixgroup.net>

  • @jkrupicka (Matrix Group International) <jkrupicka@matrixgroup.net>

  • @bruce_conrad@byu.edu (Pico Labs) <bruce_conrad@byu.edu>

  • @Steve McCown (Anonyome Labs) <smccown@anonyome.com>

Welcome / Introductions) 

Announcements

Release Status and Work Updates

Discussion Topics

 

  • Observations - VC Myopathy vs a focus on the results.

    • DIDComm is a large differentiator here

    • Also generally (and possibly unrelatedly?) associated with privacy features of VCs (this may be historical?)

  • Wallet vs Agent

    • Agents

      • Non walletey protocols - q/a, basicmessage

      • protocols for interaction

      • Broader term than wallet

      • wallet with extra capabilities?

      • rich interactions, some of which involve keys and credentials.

    • Wallet

      • sometimes used for mobile devices

      • sometimes refers to the key/credential management functions

      • part of an app built for a larger purpose

      • much stronger term to those outside our sphere - easier to relate to

      • credentials are the easiest to grasp concept - first point of traction.

      • 'My' wallet - not wallet others have for me.

      • Business wallets different from personal wallets, but still super important for similar reasons.

      • Can we call it a 'smart' wallet? 

      • key management / credential mangement

      • Overloading wallet is ok?

    • Misc

      • The term 'phone' has changed. The iPhone has a 'phone' app.

      • Real people don't care what it's called?

      • They care about what it does for them.

      • Context matters in what terms we use and when.

 

 

  • Open Wallet Foundation

  • Notes from this meeting

    • Items that are expected by the community from OpenWallet Foundation

      • Education

      • Webinars

      • Blogs

      • Meetups

    • Marketing committee (Helen)

      • long overdue work that could help clarify Aries brand.

      • Hyperledger brand refresh under way (late June)

    • Two topics

      • Aries scope

        • What is it

          • Set of frameworks that can work with protocols, credential types, crypto, etc. from a wide variety of sources. - John Jordan

          • SSI built on top of DIDComm, primarily using HL Indy - Timo (what it is now)

            • Has grown past that - Andre

          • My own interpretation is that Aries is the protocol which verifiable credentials are issued, held, and presented. Right now the protocol is didcomm/anoncreds/indy based. But those are evolving to be abstracted and support other standards (transport, credential format/type, and ledger agnostic) - Clecio

          • foundation / underpinning is indy, anoncreds, and didcomm. Perception outside our group is that Aries IS those things. - Warren

          • Wallet vs Agent terms

        • What happens if work exceeds that scope?

      • Potential move to OWF

    • What is the pitch from OWF?

      • (every other week is a conflict for the OWF Technical Advisory Council)

    • Aries is a few things (mechanically)

      • Software

      • Protocol Design

      • Aries Interop Profile

      • Interop Testing

      • OCA

  • Notes from last meeting on the topic 

    • The Opportunity

      • A potential re-homing of Aries to OWF

    • The Circumstances

      • Community needs decisions together

    • The Challenges

    • Notes on discussion and questions to be clarified

      • High ambition level of OWF

        • Goal is to create code that has relevance in code that meets regulatory requirements (e.g. as part of the EU Digital Identity Wallet)

        • Aries features and approaches can gain better representation in compliance and regulatory settings employing wallets (key leverage point for Aries community)

        • Outreach to European Commission already established at OWF

      • Funding

      • Project Support from Hyperledger

        • Hyperledger social reach is larger

        • Training workshop organized by HyperLedger

      • Code and Standards being co-located in the same org is difficult

      • Aries implementing standards designed outside of Aries

        • mDL

        • OpenID4VerifiableCredentials

        • Beyond Aries?

      • OWF explicitly does not want to create standards, OWF core is creating code to implement standards

      • Perception of the scope of Aries? What Aries does/is:

        • RfCs

        • Code matching RfCs

        • Interop Profiles

      • ToDo: More clearly communicate what Aries does, also towards OWF

Other Business

Future Topics

  • Niels Klomp offered a deeper dive into the openid4vc related flows

  • Thomas - Nessus DIDComm 0.23.2 First Release

    • Wallet abstraction for AcaPy + Nessus native

    • Camel Http Endpoint for Nessus agent

    • Support for RFC0434 Out-of-Band Invitation V1 & V2

    • Support for RFC0023 Did Exchange V1

    • Support for RFC0048 Trust Ping V1 & V2

    • Support for RFC0095 Basic Message V1 & V2

    • CLI to work with supported protocols and model

  • State-of-union of Aries projects

  • decorator for redirection after proofs. - existing?

Action items

Call Recording

https://youtu.be/fiGquV7hEkQ

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