2020-04-15

Owned by Vipin Bharathan
Last updated: Apr 15, 2020 by Ajay Jadhav
  • Antitrust Policy and introductions -  VB duration-depends on participation
  • Main event: Digital ID and fast contact tracing, credentials etc-developing space
  • Future talks (we are working with some of these folks on nailing down dates)
  • Ongoing:
    • How can we follow up on past presentations? Kim Cameron certainly wishes input on his presentation and debates on items raised by him.
    • IEEE:P2733 for Clinical IoT Data and Device  Trust, Identity, Privacy, Protection, Safety and Security (TIPPSS) - report on call, for those who have registered.
    • Identity WG Implementer call - report - 
      • Meeting Notes TBD
    • A GitHub repo was created under Hyperledger for IDWG. A note will be prepared about governance and contribution.
    • Discuss  IDWG paper
    • DCIWG Survey currently on line
    • Implementing metrics from Chaoss... DCIWG- let us reopen.

Attendees




Vipin Bharathan

kellycooper.2ds

Dan Bachenheimer

Rhonda Okamoto

Roland Aerosurete

Sze wong

Alfonso Govela

Bobbi Muscara

Jaime Ramirez

Venu Reddy

Jason P

Brian Behlendorf

Kumaravel N

Ted Achtem

Drummond Reed

Stephane Mouy

Clive Boulton

Axel | Red Hat

Ajay Jadhav

Cam Weyhrich

Clive Boulton

Jim Mason

Kumaravel N

Mic Bowman

Miguel Jimenez

Ram Jagadeesan



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video

Minutes

CCI Initiative - Drummond Introduces


Article https://www.coindesk.com/covid-19-immunity-passport-unites-60-firms-on-self-sovereign-id-project


Website: https://www.covidcreds.com/

Slow the growth of the virus + Open the economy

Having ways to prove things relevant to certain activities - basically enable employers, governments, or health care providers - us as potential patent vectors. Never been easier to explain what I do - hey, we need digital credentials 

Use Case Team

Every one of these is a different contextual credential

Some are labs, others issued by employers, ie., you are an essential worker, etc. 

A spectrum of credentials - digital - issued quickly, revoked quickly, portable, strongly verifiable. Difficult to defraud. SSI - community-wide initiative. No particular organization or company. Everynm was doing healthcare-related credentials, and those customers started talking C-19. Evernym already doing - CCI initiative started with Tony Rose at Proof Market. He was focused on the agriculture supply chain. He refocused on the need for C-19 related credentials. We should collaborate as a community toward interoperable credentials. Different jurisdictions can specialize.

Who will be the issuers? 

Public initiative.

NHS in the UK working on digital credentials to deploy due to massive C-19, one example. 

Workstreams:

Governance/Rules

Use Cases: Problem/Solution Fit, Meeting Stream, 

Tools

Communications

Link to this document to join the initiative and sign up for mailing lists or committees



Link to the presentation below with live links: Digital ID and fast contact tracing, anonymization - further developments-


Questions:

Decentralized Ledgers

Value of DLT vs Server

If we bring DLTs in - what are the additional capabilities we can offer? Careful about must-have DLT to make it work. Systems are starting to emerge - what benefit can we add in the space? Avalon, FPC, PDO (private computations). Identity - with nice characteristics for scalable, decentralized, verifiable. What else? As Hyperledger, what can we bring that adds value.

The server itself does not possess anything that can reveal the identity of the people who are infected or people who have been notified they need to test. The server does not contain information - the point is, will there be an achievement of scale? Privacy doesn't enter the picture if a protocol is preserving privacy in a robust way. Where DLT can help is by having smart contracts or other intelligence check the uploads in a distributed way and disseminate information in a distributed way. 

DLT - scale, availability, DLT is a strong way of dealing with that issue.

People may be more inclined to try these apps after longer than weeks - done though trusted interlocutor - otherwise, no one will download the apps. 

Focus on credentialing over contract tracing? Not sure in short- to mid-term. 

What happens after the contract-tracing app says you're exposed?

Credentialing - no solution yet that can achieve scale. Nothing concrete pushed out. Wants it to happen. Wallets will be important. 

Identity - don't need to know who you are. Perhaps, state you need a test. Don't need an identity layer - need to notify. Relates to goal of the app. 


Chat: 

Contact Tracing is a SEPARATE issue
it is NOT decentralized identity

Contact tracing and COVID-19 credentials can work together but they are separate parallel efforts.

deployed successfully? what's the measure of success… we don't even know clearly how hight a percentage of the population needs to use these apps for them to function, do we?
 I mean, Singapore eventually had to go into lockdown, and less than 20% of the population ended up using it, AFAIK

good point... is *anything* successful. I'll measure success at this point as "having a prayer of being deployed widely enough to be useful" because the first issue for all of these is that without broad deployment they are not helpful

[off topic] Contact tracing apps broaden the diversity of developers using HL DLT projects. Same effect Android/IOS apps at Google/Apple

@Mic: but we don't measure the efficiency of new medicines and clear them to be made available to the general public that way… they, first of all, have to prove that they won't do more harm than good. These apps should also be approached in this way, I think.

Agree with Brian that probably not a time to push for DLT/BC. Really, you can reach 8 million people with a good set-up cluster of servers, under the control of one actor. De we love that idea? nope, but technically, you can.

I mean, Google pushes hundreds of notifications a day…


COVID19 still open for help to updated and edit. Thanks!