No call on December 25
Agenda
- Antitrust Policy and introductions - VB duration-depends on participation
- A Talk by Darrell O'Donnell on Digital Wallets -
- Future talks (we are working with some of these folks on nailing down dates)
- A talk by Kim Cameron .
- DLT/SSI integration (Ajay Jadhav) and Aadhaar
- ID2020: What happened and why is it important Vipin Bharathan
- Ongoing:
- Identity WG Implementer call - report -
- Meeting Notes 2019-12-05+Identity+WG+Implementers+Call Daniel Bluhmor Richard Esplin or anyone who was on the call
- A GitHub repo was created under Hyperledger for IDWG.
- Discuss IDWG paper
- Kiva - current status. After the UNGA- any one from Kiva (Matt Raffel or Camilo Parra )
- Implementing metrics from Chaoss... DCIWG- let us discuss.
- Identity WG Implementer call - report -
Attendees
| Name | Organization | Email Address |
|---|---|---|
| Vipin Bharathan | dlt llc dba dlt.nyc | vip@dlt.nyc |
| Darrell O'Donnell | Continuum loop | |
| Kelly Cooper | Independent | kellycooper.2ds@gmail.com |
| Anchit | ||
| Dan Bachenheimer | Accenture | |
| Darrell ODonnell | ||
| Lasse | Deutche Busse? | |
| Luca Boldrin | Infocert and Sovrin Steward | |
| Marvin Bertecher | easantus | |
| Julie Esser | ||
| Ravikant Agrawal | BC Consultant | |
| Stefan Mouy | ||
| J Shim | LG and SSI Meetup Korea | |
| Jim Mason | Fabric projects and Boston Meetup | |
| Drummond Reed | evernym Chief Trust Officer | |
| Bobbi Muscara | Ledger Academy | |
| Darrell ODonnell | ||
| Axel | Red Hat | |
| Richard Esplin | ||
| Sumit Kumar | ||
| Marvin Berstecher | esatus AG | m.berstecher@esatus.com |
| Roland | Aerosurete | |
| Ron Kreutzer | ||
| Moad Misrar | ||
| SymPact |
Minutes
Quick Introductions
Darrell O'Donnell - Digital Wallet
Over a year ago started a report to understand the landscape of: what is a digital wallet and what do we need to understand so we can plan for the next few years in the digital lifecycle? The lack of clarity causing problems: developed report - A Talk by Darrell O'Donnell on Digital Wallets
Q&A
Drummond - the core terms you are using - one of the things we've seen is there isn't consistent usage of the terms. For example, 'wallet'. Different communities and vendors are using the term differently. What definitions or directions have you seen?
The Sovrin Indy is shifting away from key management system. A wallet, at minimum, needs to be able to store, retrieve, interact with various parties. What is an agent? A communication agent? Credential exchange? Sovrin Indies/Aries - to me not a config file.
Dan; TC 307 CD 22739 says: 3.84 wallet application used to generate, manage, store or use private and public keys (3.62, 3.65) Note to entry: A wallet can be implemented as a software or hardware module.
Vipin: Without connectivity or storage of credentials - need fully functional system to manage and expose credentials.
Drummond: Exploring terms, trying to pull out different definitions to help those in industry start to recognize and arrive at common benefit. One customer usage of the word wallet a clear superset of the ISO definition. Mobile app you would be using on a smart phone for everything you do as a holder of credentials as an SSI holder.
Darrell: The term wallet resonates with people. In deep tech used key management system. Darrell notes - some of the terms have been locked down way before they should have. Blockchain is still an emerging space. People consider their personal wallet a part of their identity. Different credit unions - the definition is not near enough.
Dan: The ISO has not been finalized - CD = committee draft. https://www.iso.org/standard/73771.html
Vipin: Two views: a) not the time to finalize. b) we should be engaged with TC 307. There is a message from Todd Little (Oracle), he wants to engage with the community. Large commercial interests may be driving ISO due to the membership requirements.
Tension between setting standards too early and setting standards too late.
Dan: There are corporate folks and national standards bodies represented, not only commercial interests.
In TC 307 Identity is defined as with four dimensions a) natural person, b) legal entity, c) thing, d) process (ie software version)
Darrell: How does an IoT device use a wallet if all it does is manage or store keys? How far does Thing go? Are animals things or their own category?
Dan: Agents - more of the communications process - to make things happen with what's in your wallet.
Drummond: In defining governance frameworks, legal policies, Stewards. We paired wallet and agents. Wallet - storage facing side, six different things stored in wallet. Agent - active process to handle communications, processes, etc.
Issuer, holder, verifier - some comment everything is part of what a wallet does (comment from customer).
Drummond and Darrell: What do you think will be the evolutionary path? Embedded wallet - little desire for wallet apps sitting next to a banking application. Will go through stages - embedded industry/sector specific. Later, there will be a 'wallet' that perhaps manages, maybe discrete devices, operating systems. Interoperability rather than multiple apps. Mini wallet = embedded wallet = customer doesn't really know it's a wallet. Initial pattern. Discrete wallet app. Standards > operating system. Becomes a standard set of OS services such as today's touchID, faceID, etc.
Vipin: From here to there is the fascinating part. Amorphous nature of the term wallet. Human experience + digital realm where we interact with different services through portals. Unification of portals. Delegation. Classification (pets or IoT) things that belong to me, things that belong to someone else.